i don't want to kill jobs in this environment. make one more point. >> let him answer the taxes thing for a moment. mr. president? >> well, we've had this discussion before. >> about the idea that, in order to reduce the deficit, there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. >> there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. governor romney has ruled out revenue. he's ruled out revenue. >> completely? >> the revenue i get is by more people working, getting higher pay, paying more taxes. that's how we get growth and how we balance the budget. but the idea of taxing people more, putting more people out of work, you'll never get there. you never balance the budget by raising taxes. spain spends 42% of their total economy on government. >> okay. >> we're not spending 42% of our economy on government. i don't want to go down the path of spain. i want to go down the path of growth that puts americans to growth with more money coming in. >> go ahead, mr. president. you are saying, in order to get the job done it's got to be balanced. >> if w